Beames grew up in a small town and later moved into corporate work, where figuring out how you’re doing isn’t always straightforward.

In this conversation, we talk about learning to let go of rigid ideas about how work should be done, why leading from a spreadsheet doesn’t always work, and how much you can pick up by paying attention to how people actually show up.

We discuss why he’s deliberate about giving feedback, how listening and reading the room matters, and what that’s changed about the way he works with people.